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On this. it's not been clear, "the washington post" is different from "the new york times" and that in turn is different from nbc reporting. so we're not exactly sure what happened. there were two meetings involved, being reported on. we don't know what happened in two meetings, one meeting, so on. but let's just take the worst case and say that he did recommend wearing a wire and raised the 25th amendment. it is a clear pretext for trump to act on. whether he acts appropriately or not, i don't know. you've got to remember, the deputy attorney general does a lot more than merely oversee the ru...

Colleague of rod rosenstein, jan miller. jan, great to have you with us. what do you make of these reports, does it sound like the person you know? >> first of all, rod, as i understand it, has said that the reporting is factually inaccurate, and i obviously did not go through the details, but if rod says there is information in there that is factually inaccurate, then there is information that is factually inaccurate. he does have a very dry sense of humor. so could something have been said as a sarcastic comment that other people took seriously, yes, that's possible. >> when is the last time...

Saturday night massacre, not friday night, so wait for a weekend. this is interesting, that fox is on two sides of this. i think that sean thinks it is a setup, and he might know about who leaked it, and that making it more of a setup. they might have peddled this story to other places. what i would tell the president to do is try to get all the facts. i assume, when the story first broke, ana, what i did was tweeted that i assumed that the deputy attorney general had called mcgahn at the white house to tell him exactly what had happened. i suspect from later activities they had talked, becaus...

Executive, then he's going to talk with a variety of people. he's going to talk with his senior advisers. he's going to talk with other people at his level in the government to determine what if anything should be done. you know, it's not something that anybody would take on lightly. the protections that need to be put up for the department are very important for government itself. so anybody who has been in the government as long as rod has and takes his job as seriously as rod does, if those concerns creep into their thinking, it would be incumbent upon them to talk with others at their leve...

Details. he was -- as far as his mindset, he was calm. he was his usual self. we talked about catching up on each other's lives and that sort of thing. >> now, if this reporting is true that rosenstein is genuinely worried about trump's fitness for office at that time, and discussed invoking the 25th amendment according to the reporting, what does that tell you? >> again, i'm not going to speculate as to exactly what was said or what wasn't said, but, you know, i was in the department of justice for 17 years. and i think anybody who has worked with the department, with the fbi, knows that the ...