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A political pretty soon. he is a media gad fly. he should an unknown name you can't name five -- this channel you can't. >> insulting reduce all of this to pure politics. >> true. >> the history of this is written years now this noising of democratic hoips republican hoips is not going to matter i'm sorry what matters is the notion of running rough shod over our institutions. i disagree with ken he and i found this let griemt i i think that is a matter of substance it is inappropriate to fire the fbi director in the middle of a major investigation on russia. there may be other investigations. ...

But gorsuch is not from the judicial main stream. >> there's nothing says it has to be 60 votes. you just made a case about lifetime appointment. well, there's lifetime appointment for circuit judges and federal judges. to many people this is a distinction without a difference yes. ithe highest court. but once you go down this road for the lower courts, this was inevitable which was the point that many republicans made four years ago that you're laying the ground work for a rationalization for the out party at the time, which was the republicans, to essentially run rough shod. >> first it wasn...

Serious dangers that a trump presidency poses. we need an opposition that is serious about how to impede certain policy proposals that donald trump has said he would pursue that will run rough shod over the interests of lots of people. that's the why i'm hoping that democrats stop calling people putin stooges and focus on the much more approximate and immediate danger that's a trump presidency poses. >> thank you for your time. >> great to be with you. thank you. coming up, donald trump is claiming he could have won the popular vote. he just didn't. we have the new numbers. this was interest...

You know, they should be more powerful than the president but they're not. but in this case they are. that legislature runs rough shod over governors. >> yeah. if they're to be successful, what is stopping them from thwarting everything he's going to do? there's no reason. >> you don't have retribution too much in the ballot box. >> it goes to the primaries. >> yeah. but leaders matter. if you're the governor especially on the way out. do the right thing. >> i'll be curious what mccrory does. >> i think he's going to try to do the right thing. i think he's been fed up with the legislature -- >...

Get his way on these sanctions. >> let me ask you on the broader issue, as somebody who cut his teeth talking about nixon and the reporting on nixon and the abuse of power, does it trouble you at all to see this self-proclaimed expansion of executive authority under obama? >> sure, but to us as journalists, the important lesson is we're going to have a new president in about a year, and let's make sure we tell people who that might be and not -- we've got to cover -- >> that's not my question. the question i'm asking, and i want to get to george on this. the powers and abilities of a president...