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>> chris, because the law is the law. >> he said let me -- >> chris, we're a nation of laws and the law was very clear. and there is an opportunity to enforce the laws that exist. we need to change those laws. >> then you wind up like this. >> the president sait said i'm going to follow the laws. let's build a border wall. as soon as you build that wall, 90% of this problem stops. >> we don't know that. >> absolutely. >> we don't know that any wall would make that kind of difference. we glossed over one thing. hold on. we glossed over something. and i need to hit you on one more thing. we glos...

Let me grab a hose. >> chris, we're a nation of laws and the law was very clear and there is an opportunity tone force the laws that exist. and we need to change the laws. >> then you wind up like this. >> the president said i'm going to follow the laws. let's build a border wall. as soon as you build that wall, 90% of this problem stops. >> we don't know that. >> they're not crossing illegally. >> we don't know that any wall would make that kind of difference. we glossed over one thing. hold on. we glossed over something. and then i need to hit you on one more thing. we glossed over something...

President but on the other hand he really is quite media savvy compared to most presidents. as far as this being righteous, that's in the eye of the beholder. there are lots of people who as the president says were cheering him on at the phoenix rally last week who clearly believe that arpaio was wrongly convicted of this and was doing the right thing and there are many, many people who find this incredibly offensive that the president would pardon a law man for unconstitutional actions for racial profiling for basically protecting a person using his office as a law man to violate the rights o...

Investigation. the round ups. and the hopes that may deter future terrorists. if you bring in the wife or mother or daughter, that will deter. we have seen these cases unfold. some of the arrests will go away. the big concern is is there an international tie to the conspiracy of the three men to kill on saturday night. that has to be key interest to the british to ensure others are not behind them planning similar attacks. >> paul cruickshank, let's talk about something that hasn't gotten a lot of notice, but should as the investigation is going forward and they know the identity of those resp...