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United states. taylor working for the president of the united states. they view the whole giuliani thing as a conspiracy whack job. >> and there's a reason that joe biden is the object of the president's obsession. they do see him as the strongest potential opponent running against them so they did want to muddy him up from the very beginning. and rudy giuliani has offered up a buffet of conspiracy theories which the president has embraced. we don't know the politics of this. it could elevate the former vice president going forward. we're not sure. it's on shifting ground here. set that aside,...

Should see. >> those phone calls. but i suspect we won't. julie. >> well, this past week we saw president trump sign a proclamation that would bar immigrants who couldn't pay for their own health care from staying in this country. this came just a few days after i reported with my colleague mike sheer about the president's more extreme ideas for preventing immigrants from coming across the southern border, everything from shooting at them to digging a water-filled trench with potentially dangerous reptiles inside. what we're seeing here is something that mike and i explore deeply in our book t...