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Wasting their time. we don't trust them to do their job. and so, you know, we'll get some crazy old white coot on a pickup with a 50-cal machine gun cruising his neighborhood to do god knows what. but calling it exodus is just simply another way of linking it to this bible-based, reconstructionist, crazy movement in our country that essentially has ceded from the union within our own nation, as i talk about in my book. we have a bunch of people who don't believe in america anymore and the odd thing is they wrap themselves in the flag, call themselves patriots. and this is just crazy, and of co...

Themselves patriots. and this is just crazy and of course it fits in with this larger trend you see for instance with the blackwater people, private army, run by a reconstructionist fanatic christian guy who have gone all over the world working with the cia but not under the control of the real government. well, this is just sort of the rube version of that on a smaller scale but part of a larger trend and it bodes very ill for our country and our democracy all joking aside. >> frank schaeffer the author of "crazy for god" thank you for your time and your insight. always a pleasure to have you...