Co-con co-conspirators, any concerns whether they ll be held accountleable for their actions in battleground states like georgia? no, i d t. it s been difficult because trump never actually came to georgia, you know, there were the phone lls, the overt actions, people who were here and made misrepresentations, who lied to people in georgia they were rudy giuliani and john eastman, and sidney powell. all the undieted co-conspirators were the folks who were actually, they were like the soldiers that were sent into the battleground states to actually implement the plan so whether or not they get named at the federal level eventually i have no doubt with respect to the indictment here on the ground they re definitely a target. what about that potential
What the special grand jury asked with respect to rudy giuliani s presentation before the georgia s state senate. that s what they were interested in. so i m going to go and i m going to tell the truth. can you tell people what were your impressions of giuliani and his presentation in the moment back in december of 2020? yeah, i have to tell you it was very surreal. being there. because the presentation itself, it was false. it was almost presented like a small mini-trial. and it clearly had been it felt like it was part of some kind of mock trial we were going through and, you know, they had their witnesses that purportedly were telling the state legislators they could basically choose the electors and throw out the votes of millions and
Electoral college so this isn t just about a couple of comments that donald trump made at a rally or rudy giuliani s claims. thank you for that reporting. we ll see you in a little bit. let s bring back in our experts. jack smith knew that was going to be the defense counsel s argument, that s why he gets to page 2, the defendant has every right to speak publicly about the election, even to claim falsely there had been fraud. it s kind of rare to anticipate a defense like that. the first thing. exactly. i think it s an important thing. here s my problem with first amendment defense. we have a broad first amendment right when it comes to political speech. but here s the problem the first amend mtd doesn t cover everything that may come out of
Millions of georgians. i was sitting thinking this can t be real. but as we re sitting there and the president of the united states is tweeting and oan and newsmax is live-streaming it became very clear that this was part of the plan. at the federal level the federal indictment last night and georgia s one of the states that they talk about, with respect to what happened on the ground here it was the implementation of the plan at the highest levels to overturn the election. i want to bring in jen, my colleague sarah murray has covered the district attorney s case down in georgia. jen, good to see you again. i m curious in this federal indictment we see people like john eastman and rudy giuliani unnamed, unindicted co
The election workers were trying to cover up fraud. now, again, we have identified five of the six unindicted co-conspirators named in these court documents. one of them is john eastman, allegedly involved in crafting this plan where then ve president pence could overtu the election.john eastman s att th respect to questions as to whether dr. eastman is involved in plea bargaining the answer is no. if dr. eastman is indicted he ll go to trial, if convicted he ll appeal. another one of the unindicted co-conspirators in this indictment is rudy giuliani, he spoke last night. violating the right of free
He believed what rude rey told . the argument they re going to make not only should he have known and in those clips he did know, he acknowledged it. that s crucial evidence. people might not know you worked for rudy giuliani back in the day when he was america s yor new york city. they rlisted as co-conspirators, unindicted. where do you think his role in this goes from here? well, i think, it s very clear that rudy was directly involved in trying to overturn the election on donald trump s behalf acting in his capacity as counsel. there s month right to commit crimes and to overturn an election. the first amendment argument that rudy so forcefully
Leave kids in mask to protect adults who have had a year to get that vaccine. that s an argument for forever masking for kids if you think about it because there s no off ramp here. i do think a key point was just made though and i ve been making this, too, that the power of one-way masking is really important. even if they say no masks in schools and someone is still concerned, get vaccinated, boosted if you re an adult and wear a good mask. it s about as low risk as anything in life regardless of what others are doing or not doing around you. really appreciate getting both of your perspectives. really valuable to hear. joseph allen, dr. matthew, great to talk to both of you. thank you. thank you. another day, another report of rudy giuliani s efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. the washington post says he asked a michigan prosecutor to seize his county s voting machines then turn them over to team trump. we ll talk to one of the
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Giuliani was exactly after here? this was a county in michigan which had a serious error on election night. the unofficial results there initially said joe biden had won, in fact, donald trump had won. it was corrected quickly and they moved on, but the president s team sort of seized on the county to try to prove that the election had been stolen essentially. and as part of that effort, rudy giuliani and members of his team called the local district attorney and asked him is there a way you can get the voting machines from the county and pass them to us, we want to look at them. and he declined. and it was really central through even january 6th, john, part of the narrative that trump team and all of those supporters used to try to justify what they wanted former vice president mike pence to do.
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