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Apparently, he showed them. i want to ask you about hud secretary ben carson while i have you. especially because you worked in that department under president bush 41. carson had a bad week in the hot seat on capitol hill. he was asked about reports that the agentcy may eliminate the equal access, bars housing on send gender identity. >> can you ensure the committee that hud doesn't have plans to eliminate the equal access rule during rule making? >> i'm not going to say what we will do in the future about anything. we don't know what we're going to do in the future. >> are you currently anti...

This has been quite a week for housing and urban development secretary ben carson. first he sits in a congressional hearing and wonders aloud if a congressional member was asking him about oreo cookies when she was asking him about a housing term he should know. and in the same series he was asked about housing and transgender people. listen to this. >> can you assure that hud does not have any plans to eliminate the access rule in rule making? >> i'm not going to say what we will do in the future about anything. we don't know what we're going to do in the future. >> are you currently anticipa...

>> i'm not going to say what we will do in the future about anything. we don't know what we're going to do in the future. >> are you currently anticipating doing that? >> i'm not currently anticipating changing the rule. >> neil: something happened after that exchange. the democratic congress woman, jennifer waxton and ben carson. the next day, hud did propose a rule that would change it for transgender women and homeless shelters. now the congress woman is calling for carson to resign. >> neil: she says you lied, secretary. what do you say? >> i don't think so. the rule from 2012 is not in an...

Then to a homeless status. what's going to happen with these children? have you thought this program through? >> maybe what will happen with them is that you in congress will do your job and solve the problem. >> i was disappointed, especially with the negative impacts, understanding there may be rational reasons for looking at this, but the negative impacts of proceeding with the mortgage e-lette before doing a formal rule making as had been previously promised. >> your point is well taken. >> anna, is that the kind of exchange that you think could get some attention, if not from republican l...

Week. hud agreed to pay $5 million for carbon monoxide detectors. more of a sense of urgency. give us an update on where that stands. the secretary based on his comments over the last 24 hours does have a better sense that they have to deal with this and deal with this now. >> it's clear that hud is reacting to something. they're reacting to public pressure, outrage, media attention on this issue and they're scrambling to do something about it. so the $5 million is significant. the first concrete step they have taken. promised to do all sorts of things but this is something that is real and ma...