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Successfully with an executive and with the senate with a different tradition and history. what they are saying is we want what we want. and they are taking an opportunity to make themselves more than they are collectively. that's fine. but like the congressman ribble said, the only person he wants holding his card are the voters back home. nobody is going home to their district and hearing about rules reform. it doesn't come up. >> absolutely. >> it's a sugar coating on something they want. >> suzy, you said john boehner was acting like a dictator and taking away committee assignments. that's...

Lead to certain kinds of blinksmanship over the debt ceiling, over funding the government on a basic level. i don't think so you can separate out the demands from some of the procedural changes they want to see. although there are some things that could be done, they say, just to make the process more democratic without leading to those kind of things. >> they say they want to make the process more democratic. when i hear them say that, what i hear is we want votes on what we want. and we want it to go our way. >> that is exactly what i was going to say. >> i'm glad i'm not the only cynic. >> ...