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Presidency. something that gets talked about all the time, was dick cheney too powerful. bush 43 told you. >> well, he was talking about the neo concerns in general and specifically, about cheney and rums field. and he said and i quote, cheney, rums field never made one [ bleep ] decision. >> that's the quote. >> i understand his frustration because at the time, dick cheney was the acting president, but george w. bush had a lifetime of making bold decisions. he has this natural confidence in himself as a leader and the you talk to those around him, they have confidence in his leadership. and s...

Al-ass al-assad. but we're not there yet. and it's something that we all have to sit back. the challenge is syria over the next year as we wait to see what happens with the diplomatic situation on iran, what the other alternatives are. that syria will be the one that given the fact you have these challenges to the syrian people will be the one that both sides have to make a stand on. >> let me ask you very briefly. we're almost out of time. do you think that the anniversary of iraq with all this bluster from cheney and from rums field who are unrepentant in their opinion that we did the right ...

>> yes. that's expectly right, joe. i've read all the things you have. i think what's rumsfeld is saying in effect, look, this is the only guy we got. it may not be a particularly strong read but it's all we've got. if this goes down, it's all going down. for better or worse, he's our ally in this affair till the end. i don't know what rums field believes about the allegations of corruption, but i believe that's probably his basic motivation saying, look, if he goes, it all goes. if we have a chance, we'll have to stick with him. >> if that's the answer to the question, it is a stupid question...