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Samuel huntington said the moment when you see a transition is when there's a crack within the ruling elite. so far no crack in venezuela by which i mean you're not seeing generals defect by and large, one or two minor ones. why are the generals staying so close to the regime? >> so part of the reason you're not seeing military pull away, at least we haven't seen it so far, is this is in many ways, shapes, forms a military regime. the ministers, those who run food, those who control the state-owned energy company, those who are in control of governors and other positions, they are all military...

Suffering. there's a tension there between top officers. >> when one looks at this in other historical cases, you know, he always said that the moment where you see a transition is when that's crack within the ruling elite. so far no crack in venezuela by which i mean you're not seeing generals. why are they staying so close to the regime? >> part of the reason you're not seeing the military pull away is that this is a military regime. we have seen many of the ministers, those that run food there and those that control is state owned energy company, those who are in control of governors and ot...