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Border, a little bit about his background as well. i couldn't be more proud of these two gentlemen. i think they are the future of journalism and look forward to talking to them. before we get there, something is about to happen in the next few days. you have heard about it in a platitudist way but very few specifics. i have spent a lot of time trying to dig up all the specifics in the 3.5 trillion dollars democrat bill that you've been hearing about. this is an omnibus bill. it is not 3.5 trillion dollars. i have found out it is also about 5.5 trillion dollars over ten years. the democrats ar...

Books anymore. encyclopedia, we don't have encyclopedias anymore. the internal revenue code, we sure as hell have that, massive regulations and requirements and so forth. that's the kind of bill they want to pass. now, in a representative republic like ours, you are supposed to be able to participate. how do you participate when you don't know all the details? how do you participate when you can't get into the capitol building? how do you participate when your own representatives don't know what's in the bill? they are going to put this omnibus bill together, not specific spending bills or spe...

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Down on the ground and see the communities that i get to talk with on a daily basis, i think you will get a much different picture. >> mark: you say you're libertarian. libertarians as a thumbnail sketch believe in ordered liberty. i mean, not in every case do they move in that direction, but that's the foundation. that's the core of it. that every human being has a right to live their lives, not bothered by government unless there's a reason for it. you see what's going on in our country today. it is far from libertarianism. i would argue that it is much closer to what i call american marxism...

Says go ahead. >> mark: and yet conversely, your questions aren't like some of your colleagues who say, you know, the president is having a hell of a day. i understand he's doing this. he's been successful in that. then they put a question mark at the end f it. -- the end of it. your questions and the way you ask them are very very respectful in my view, and i think the american people agree with me, even though they can be very [inaudible]. you have managed to accomplish that at a very young age, where people like jim acosta and so forth to this day are incapable of it. we'll be right back. s...