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but on the other hand, it's also a serious national security leak investigation that was prompted by outcries from congress to begin with. the fact of the matter is here, that there will be a tremendous price to be paid and is being paid by the justice department and the administration for taking this step. what we don't know yet really, and aren't in a position to make a final judgment about, is whether it's justified or not. >> steve: that's a good point. remember, the leaker would be the bad actor, the person who leaks the stuff. that's the person they should go after. but instead what they're doing is they're going after the reporters and the editors. >> brian: they're trying to find out maybe who the leaker is by going after the editor. >> steve: no. they're end running it. the big question is -- >> brian: the bottom line is they're doing this without their permission. the secretary of state is not in charge of benghazi. the president is not in charge of anything. is everybody running crazy