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Not but the way this administration is running i.c.e. the frustration you saw from the letter, that 19 special agents in charge sent a letter to the secretary asking to be kind of cleaved off from the organization because of these policies, i think what that reflects is these policies actually hurt public safety. you have to understand that i.c.e. as a law enforcement organization needs cooperation from immigrant communities, needs cooperation from other law enforcement. this kind of policy makes those partners not want to cooperate anymore. >> i.c.e. was created after 9/11, it's a counterterr...

They know nothing about the country and culture. one of these guys didn't even know the form of government was that they have in norway. they are clueless, they are soap opera producers. we can do better than that. >> all right. let's go back to customs. let's just end the segment there who do you think should be running ice? certainly not someone who spent his career as a defense attorney trying to get murderers out of jail. who do you think can can be nominated? will they nominate someone who will enforce the law? >> here is a novel idea. go find a u.s. attorney. i don't care what his or her...

Whose sole qualification. they know nothing about the country and culture. one of these guys didn't even know the form of government was that they have in norway. they are clueless, they are soap opera producers. we can do better than that. >> all right. let's go back to customs. let's just end the segment there who do you think should be running ice? certainly not someone who spent his career as a defense attorney trying to get murderers out of jail. who do you think can can be nominated? will they nominate someone who will enforce the law? >> here is a novel idea. go find a u.s. attorney. i ...

Arrests. if you look at last year's statistics compared to this year, they are holding less. these agents say they are more theater than doing the real job. bill: flustered on the mexican border or all over the united states? >> they are not clustered on the mexican border they are across the united states. bill: how did this vote take place? there is more than 259 ice agents. >> absolutely this is a union that represents the ice agents it was a skating letter. the vote i -- i was a scathing letter. they said yes they represented us well. they want people to know the truth. bill: let's summari...

They have been told minimize the arrests and if you look at last year's statistics compared to this year, they're holding less so what does that say? these agents say they're more of a theater than they are doing their real job. and they're not going to put up with it anymore. >> are they flustered on the mexican border or all over the united states? >> no, they are not clustered on mexican border whatsoever. they're all across the united states. i've spoke to agents here in the north -- >> what was this vote? there's many more than 259 ice agents all over the place. >> absolutely. this is the...