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To catch the leaker. for our listeners, the obvious question will be who gave you that story? the only answer i can give and ever would give is the same one that we gave in the high court a week or so ago. so as you alluded to a short while ago we had been at the centre of this to some degree. certainly we were at the very beginning of it. the case between the two of them relates directly to stories we carried. that is definitely true. stories that turned out not to be true. stories that certainly were presented as fact online, as you say, they were presented as fact directly from coleen roone...

Told trump he was writing the book. obviously trump's quote is on the front page of the book. trump put out a statement praising it as the truth. meadows, you know, wasn't going to put anything in that book without first running it by donald trump, but when trump saw how it played, the idea that trump had a positive covid test before the debate, it's in the book. when trump saw how it played, he got furious. he got angry. and now meadows needs to make a show of support for trump and needs to pick a fight with an enemy of trump, which is this committee. i think that that's what's going on. he's...

Meadows really is the key to all of this. >> what is going on here insofar as meadows produces documents, writes a book, initially is cooperating and now draws a line in the sand. explain that to me. >> i think he's trying to manage his relationship with donald trump which at this point is all he has. i'm absolutely confident that meadows, when he wrote the book, told trump he was writing the book. obviously trump's quote is on the front page of the book. trump put out a statement praising it as the truth. meadows, you know, wasn't going to put anything in that book without first running it by...

Be some honor and some deep abiding of the maezawa if they tell you something. >> if they tell you something, they're putting their word on the table and you can accept it. so what the judge is saying is i don't trust you. >> which is amazing. >> that's an sitting down statement. >> it shows, in fact, the real cost of the kind of assault on the rule of law. one other point to add, the order ran expressly to the president, so he's under personal order not to do anything. that is a stunning vote of no confidence from a district court. >> they would normally not do that? >> it would have nothing ...

>> if they tell you something. >> if they tell you something, they're putting their word on the table and you can accept it. so what the judge is saying is i don't trust you. >> which is amazing. >> that's an sitting down statement. >> it shows, in fact, the real cost of the kind of assault on the rule of law. one other point to add, the order ran expressly to the president, so he's under personal order not to do anything. that is a stunning vote of no confidence from a district court. >> they would normally not do that? >> it would have nothing to do -- right. it would be in the administratio...