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You know, this is a double standard. and it's just incredible that the irs commissioner can defend this and say, well, we have prose and we don't have to keep these e-mails, but yet an individual has to keep seven years worth of documentation? this is just not the right way to approach this. but i can tell you, it doesn't pass the smell test. >> are you expecting to go to treasury? tim geithner was running treasury. doesn't treasury oversee the irs? >> well, the treasury has a role. we are going to pursue all of these lines of inquiry. treasury, the federal elections commission, other agencies...

This is why i think it's a big gamble for her to somehow claim they've been lost in cyberspace. >> it is extraordinary that they're saying all of this now. because it makes you feel like this is bigger than we thought. joef treasury oversees irs. i wonder if there's a connection there. >> well, this is the exact question, maria. is it to treasury? we know it's to the political appointee in the treasury. the council that was appointed by the president. there's belief that this went all the way to the white house. don't forget, the irs commissioner at the time, mr. shulman, has visited the white...

Forward with the other eight employees. we've asked a number of questions about those hard drives. we haven't gotten the answers yet, but we want every one of those hard drives and nothing less will be acceptable. >> but you keep saying that and you're not getting them. isn't it fair to say that this may well be one more thing that the administration gets away with and they're doing it the way they want to do it? >> well, that is the fight we're having right now. and i can tell you, treasury, for instance, was circling the wagons on this issue and was very noncooperative. but then 30 minutes b...