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Know, they caught this great pass last november. and they're now running'a ay from the goal that they're supposed to. they're going in the opposite direction. it would be like here's the -- liberals you know, we're love, peace, understanding. sensitive people. you see them carrying the ball the wrong way. and you go, no. no, wait. your goal's that way. you just have got to hope that the democrats will buck up here and, you know, not do that. >> the gingrich flame out is that a surprise for you? you've been watching him for a long time? >> we've been best friends forever. back on my old nbc sho...

Popularity of the ryan plan in republican circles, which seems to be rapidly disappearing. how do they play it? >> some of them have already endorsed that. i don't know how they're going to back away from it now. >> huntsman has endorsed it. i don't know if you know him at all. i don't know him personally. he is sort of the good hearted republican in that sense. i don't agree with him and his politics or whatever. >> he thinks gay people should have some rights. >> for a mormon republican from the state of utah -- >> that's a lot. >> to hear those words, it's like me saying to you let's go run...

Is never a smart strategy for either party to run away from its own president. because you look sect less to your own base who still loves him and you look like a coward to independents. it never works this running a ay from your president. democrats are going to rise or fall together. now, they have to separate from washington, not obama. separate from washington lobbyists, big corporations that are trying to take over our elections after the supreme court ruling. plenty to separate from in washington but not the president. they should not try to attack the president. >> you remember there we...