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Longer do very well. it's a winner take all system and it's compounded by the fact that as much as french voters are accustomed of voting against a candidate in the runoff stages, the fact that a le pen family member has been on the ballot three of the last five times and they've simply been asked to vote against that far right andal tern tich has left people feeling frustrated with the way in which france is going and what these other candidates represent for them. michael? >> as we broadcast to the world, i mean, the conflict in ukraine has really put a spotlight on the candidates' foreign p...

One of the big issues has been apathy, how engaged voters are. >> yes, based on the last three election cycles what we've seen is voter turnout has dropped off between the two rounds and abstentions have also been rising. so based on what happened in the first round, i expect 25% or more of french people to actually not even bother going to the ballot boxes. this apathy being drive bin widespread sentiment of lack of representation. a country which has gone through major political changes, the mainstream parties no longer do very well, and it's a winner takes all system. it's compounded by the...

Heard the phrase "make america great again," which results in the election of the president donald j. trump. talk to us about that populist sentiment there in france. marine le pen hoping to gain tractions from voters, frustrated with the status quo, frustrated with people at the top of office. what are the roots of that frustration? >> right, well, this party goes back a long way. remember that in 2002, the electorate were shocked in what were very low turnout when is her father made it through to the second round. at that time, 80% of the population came together in the runoff stages and ret...