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Democrats put $25 billion up for a wall, but that came for protections for dreamers and making sure they can obtain citizenship, and that was rejected by the president of the united states, and now he wants $5 billion for a wall. first of all, that's not going to build any type of wall of any substance on our southern border. even if the wall is up, that doesn't fix our immigration problem. net migration from mexico is zero. most of the illegal immigrants from the country are here because they over stayed visas, and the number one contributor to our surging drug problem is from points of entry...

Were playing like adults interested in solving problems, for donald trump to say i'm going to do a cr. we stop the shutdown and i'm going to give us a six-month deadline to do bipartisan immigration reform. do a nixon in china. there's just absolutely nothing in our experience that he would ever take the bait to actually act like a real leader in this regard. >> because margaret, he's essentially made the calculation here, driven by the ann coulters, and rush limbaughs of the world that not delivering on the wall or being seen to give in on the wall, whether he can deliver it or not, because t...

President wants to do in instigating a shutdown over border wall funding is something that has very little constituency on capitol hill. senate republicans want to support the president but they also hate shutdowns. they don't want to be blamed for a shutdown and don't want to be in the middle of one. when pat roberts was speaking on capitol hill today, he said, you know, i am sympathetic to what the president wants in terms of border security money. we do need money down there, but not in the form of this wall that he keeps talking about. so republicans -- senate republicans do want to find o...

They want, secretary of defense, if the president can send someone out to say one thing and then just reverse themselves, what can you -- >> final word to you. >> to ryan's point, i think the president always needs to be told maybe what to do. you think of his past in his career when he was a developer, it was his father propping him up. and i think throughout his life, he's had people who propped him up and kept him there. and maybe ann coulter and rush limbaugh is doing that job. but it's almost like he needs to be propped up, to be told what to do. by people he admires. >> we have entered a...

Speaker pelosi is pass the same cr, i suppose, without the $5 million. trump says no, unacceptable. so who is in the middle? who has got the leverage? the senate. and really the senate republicans. and i think that's an interesting moment. and i do not assume that senate republicans just stay in lockstep behind trump at that point. i think they could cut their own deal. >> a veto? >> they could cut their own deal. mcconnell is a good deal-maker. he and pelosi can get together and give a little something to give the republicans something to say and then tell the president, we're passing this wi...