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Absolutely. >> the president likes to fight. and he likes his base to see him fighting. he knows this issue is a winner for him. he knows to eugene's point he did have some erosion on that base that was shown in 2018. i think he wants to show the ann coulters and rush limbaughs and the right wing radio types, hey, i'm still the guy we fell in love three years ago, nothing has changed, nothing is different. he does not actually care about this issue because if he did, remember, he had an opportunity to pass a pretty comprehensive immigration package about a year ago. where he -- >> $20 billion....

President is not going to get it. >> that's simply not true. they're willing to give him 1 president 3 billion dollars,le just not as much as you wabltd. >> why doesn't the president take that. really? at the time of christmas? come on, mr. grinch. why doesn't he do it? is it because of the ann coulter and rush limbaughs calling him out? >> some of the democrats want the fight too. you can say the ann coulters of the world are controlling the republican party, but the democrats are controlled by many far left interests, alexandria

Either a tunnel underneath that concrete wall or a ladder going over it. so we'll have to see if this is acceptable to the republican base. more to the point if it's acceptable to the rush limbaughs and ann coulter's of the world. remember, president trump tried it earlier in the week. fudge the difference between a concrete wall and metal fence and the right wing media wasn't having it and why he then was against a spending deal he was once for. so, again, we'll have to see what kind of off ramp comes from this. both sides saving face. that is what matters most. this is a political issue for ...

That i don't right or control it. >> look, brian. if the president did not get any border wall funding, how damaging would that be for him politically? you've got the ann coulters and rush limbaughs of the world shaming him. look at ann coulter. she called him gutless. you cannot hear that snow no. but you heard the democrat,le not putting daca on the table is a way to negotiate over more border security on the solution for the docket issue. so the democrats are just as trancy subsequent as republicans. it's a war of words. i's stare-down. >> is there any reason to

Government. rush limbaugh, "the drudge" report, breitbart, you did your best with those doggone democrats. >> he goes out and does as much as he can, you look at mitch mcconnell or look at the house republicans and say, you know what, they didn't deliver with the two here is have majorities, even then you still need 60 votes. you need to nuke it. you need nuke option or nothing. >> when he starts hammering the table -- >> it does with me up, though. watching politicians debate over is like watching me and dana get something from a high shelf. there is no expertise. the mistake at the beginning...