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Absolutely. >> the president likes to fight. and he likes his base to see him fighting. he knows this issue is a winner for him. he knows to eugene's point he did have some erosion on that base that was shown in 2018. i think he wants to show the ann coulters and rush limbaughs and the right wing radio types, hey, i'm still the guy we fell in love three years ago, nothing has changed, nothing is different. he does not actually care about this issue because if he did, remember, he had an opportunity to pass a pretty comprehensive immigration package about a year ago. where he -- >> $20 billion....

Vitali, eugene scott, and melissa murray, nyu law professor. we begin with president trump's fight for a border wall. negotiations hit a stand still yesterday clearing out the capitol house and senate leaders, sending leaders home with no deal. a at the white house, president trump had lunch behind closed doors with a group of republicans. conservative members urged him to hold out on this, the third shutdown of the trump presidency and there seems to be no sense of urgency here. congress has no plans to return to the capitol until two days after christmas. at the end of the day republicans an...

Lederman reports on -- an nbc news reporter that essentially he was guaranteed the -- the president was guaranteed that turkey would take over fighting isis and yet turkey has been attacking the kurds. what do you make of that? >> not only has turkey been attacking the kurds but one of the biggest roadblocks that mcgurk and the coalition dealt with was turkey. turkey did not want us to be backing the kurds because they consider the kurds to be an existential threat since a wing of this movement has been leading the insurgency in turkey. so to me it's unlikely that turkey is now going to sudden...

Going to make a much -- much more difficult for him to actually win re-election. but no one should be surprised that democrats aren't caving on this. they don't want a wall, period. their base doesn't want a wall. and they certainly don't want americans to pay for it. so the fact that some conservatives are looking at the left saying this is your fault, they're saying we didn't make this campaign promise. we campaigned against it. so they're behaving the way that their base wants them to. >> joel, let's talk about the "l" word which is leverage. as eugene mapped out clearly, the democrats don'...

Fed. take a listen. >> i have to ask the question -- why does he not believe in governments? does not care about the american people? doesn't he know that the economy is uncertain? hasn't he followed the stock market that he likes to brag about sometimes? there's something wrong with this picture. >> eugene, what do you make of her comments that the economy is unstable. that's what nancy pelosi is saying. >> well, the economy has never been as stable as the president communicated. when he talks about it doing better, he likes to specify how it's better for black voters and women as well he doe...