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2018? >> it is kind of amazing that this is what they've come up with. you know, they've been saying for seven years they want to repeal and replace obamacare, but until now, we had never seen how they would do it. and that's because they haven't been able to agree amongst themselves. that's been kind of the dirty little secret all along, is the only thing they all agreed on is they wanted to repeal and replace obamacare. when you actually get down to doing it, you discover that the republic chance ha republicans have just as many divisions among themselves as the democrats do. >> philip, don'...

>> it is kind of amazing that this is what they've come up with. you know, they've been saying for seven years they want to repeal and replace obamacare, but until now, we had never seen how they would do it. and that's because they haven't been able to agree amongst themselves. that's been kind of the dirty little secret all along, is the only thing they all agreed on is they wanted to repeal and replace obamacare. when you actually get down to doing it, you discover that the republicans have just as many divisions among themselves as the democrats do. >> philip, don't you think there's a pro...

Republican senator susan collins said she would vote against the bill in a crucial test vote. and after the nonpartisan congressional budget office released its highly anticipated analysis of the bill, which finds if this bill passed, 22 million more people would be uninsured by 2026 compared to current law. that includes 15 million more people just next year, including 4 million with employment sponsored insurance. average premiums in the individual market would spike in the nexts couple years. while premiums are projected to decrease starting in 2020, the crucial detail is this, deductibles ...

Anyone recalls anything from the aca, when you talk about scott brown, that was in november, you talk about those angry speeches that happened on the floor about the process, those were in january, february, march. a year in. i mean, have you ever seen legislation of this magnitude on this subject year undertake this trajectory process wise ever? >> no, never. i've stood out -- i've saw a lot of closed meetings in the capitol and office buildings but never seen a bill done this way. i've never seen a bill that actually creates more losers than winners. often you get bills that create winners a...

Subsequent victory, in areas where maybe ideologically it wasn't as much as a slam dunk in terms of the obamacare, the way they were able to win is by getting the votes of independents on the process ground. the idea that -- >> right. >> -- it was, you know, scott brown was able to win in a state that obama had carried by 26 points a little over a year earlier in early 2010 and a lot of the focus was the idea of the sort of washington behind closed door backroom dealing. >> right. >> they'd be able to kind of say, of course, i want to, you know, ensure that everyone has decent health coverage ...