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That the russians are involved in this, it's very unlikely that a russian intelligence officer -- you know, when they plan out an operation, they want to make that operation is successful. the other part of that planning is to make sure if it is compromised, that the lines that trace back to russia are in fact murky. it's very hard to come back and say, this is definitively the russians. so an example in "the wall street journal" report, you hear russian hackers. what you don't hear is russian intelligence officers or russian cyber officers. it's not to say they're not being directed by russia...

Fingerprints of a very clear intelligence operation. >> when you say non-attribution, what is that? >> that's a very good point. so if we think about this idea that the russians are involved in this, it's very unlikely that a russian intelligence officer -- you know, when they plan out an operation, they want to make that operation is successful. the other part of that planning is to make sure if it is compromised, that the lines that trace back to russia are in fact murky. it's very hard to come back and say, this is definitively the russians. so an example in "the wall street journal" report...

In this, it's very unlikely that a russian intelligence officer -- you know, when they plan out an operation, they want to make that operation is successful. the other part of that planning is to make sure if it is compromised, that the lines that trace back to russia are in fact murky. it's very hard to come back and say, this is definitively the russians. so an example in "the wall street journal" report, you hear russian hackers. what you don't hear is russian intelligence officers or russian cyber officers. it's not to say they're not being directed by russian governmental entity, but this...