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Of how this would play to the public, does the public see these distinct issues as adding up to something big or does the public still look at this, say mueller, russia, was he a russian algent or not? >> the public has no idea who don mcgahn is. it is great for citizens to be deep in the weeds when they can be. for the most part, the case the democrats are trying to make, you can argue over whether it is successful as you say is a broader question of stonewalling. white house stonewalling into the inquiries. the question is whether the legal, narrow legal reason they might give might be just ...

When it comes time for election, all republicans are going to be held accountable, because they are standing by this. and quite frankly, you know, if you are standing by when someone is doing an injustice to the country that you yourself also have blood on your hands. >> now, we're looking at this, dean. you've got the russian question where the republicans are not calling out the president to come -- whatever it is. >> sure. >> i mean, they're not even putting any pressure on them. and you've got the government shutdown, 800,000 people. that's not including the contractors, subcontractors and...

The republican chairman tell reporters today there is some intelligence that suggests that trump campaign aides maiy have been intercepted by ways that president trump said, president obama. now the russia aspect. the russian question remains unsolved. it is still not clear what we're looking at, the skoem. we know the figures involved and they were looking at communications and travel it sounds like in meetings which we basically knew. but this is becoming a low-grade fever that shows no sign of breaking for this administration. and that's very challenging as you go on. either in a campaign o...