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Polls, over 48% of americans identify themselves as tea parties, while only 42% with barack obama. so i would question that there is a lack of trust there. in the american people generally for him. now, if a certain percentage -- >> three-fifths -- are you one of the birthers? because three-fifths of the tea party people are not willing to simply say, okay, he's another american like me. so why is that the case, ryan? >> i am not a birther. >> why are three-fifths of your numbers around you -- >> chris, you're trying to marginalize the grassroots movemen movement. >> i think you are marginaliz...

Policies? >> if the kind of spending that we've seen in the last year and a half were the case, absolutely. but i don't think that's likely to have been the case. what's happened, chris, is that the overspending has accelerated. not simply that it existed back in the bush years, of course it did. but then it got worse. so that's where it started, now it's expanded. >> well part of the problem, sir, and you know as well as i do, we all study kensyn economics. this president was hit by a -- what could have been a second great depression, that's just my argument. we could have been in worse shape...

>> let me go to ryan hecker on that. ryan, why do you need a separate party if you've got the republican party if your philosophy is the same? >> i think, i think first of all there ra lot of independents, a very high percentage of independents involved as well. and i would say that you know, we represent a limited government. group of people that support the constitution. and believe in good governance and transparency, which i think is an overwhelming majority of americans. >> aren't you guys with john boehner and mitch mcconnell, the republican leadership? what are your problems with them? ...

Problem. but you add all of these things up together, and you project them out into the future. and you're in a situation where you're not only going to have federal debt exceeding the annual gross domestic product of the country, but you're going to have a federal deficit that is unprecedented. you're going to have federal spending well north of 25% of the total gdp. and those things become simply a bridge too far. they become financially unsustainable, chris. >> that's a good argument, that's a good argument. i like that argument. were you making that kind of argument, sir, under president b...

Iraq was a great national enterprise, by the way. i'll bet a lot of people behind you think it was the stupidest war we ever fought. but that's just my thinking. where were you guys when bush was here? >> well we were there. i think what happened was, i mean it was october 2008. when t.a.r.p. was passed, that the entire, you know, kind of frustration about republicans rose to a real height. and i think that the automobile bailout, and then the takeover and then the stimulus package really drove us out onto the streets in protest. so i think that there was a rumbling during you know, during, i ...