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The united states. this memo that one of our cnn contributors just received saying that the way to beat hillary clinton was to go after her top vulnerability, character issues. you've seen the memo. i don't know if you -- >> i don't recall putting ryan's name on it. >> it was confidential. >> look, i don't think anything in that memo should be surprising to anyone. you saw the strategy executed by the campaign and the contrasts that barack obama drew. i would point out those were different times, those were different issues. the iraq war this particular was very much in front and center in tha...

>> good way to get out of that. really good. good job. >> well, i mean, if you're asking me is that memo legitimate, i think the memo is real. >> it's a real memo. is that strategy that was successful for barack obama then, could it be used this time around against hillary clinton? >> look, i think it will be used if she's the nominee in a general election. i think that hillary clinton is hugely popular in the democratic party. she's very well liked. she's trusted. but democrats like hillary clinton, so i don't think they will attack her on the stage tonight. i think they will make issue compa...

Popularity is evidence of his popularity. i've never seen a candidate or surrogate talk about polls more than trump does. i mean, the idea that i'm popular because you can tell that i'm popular in the polls. that works for now, but i mean, if the polls turn around, it's hard to know what he'll talk about. the other thing is immigration, he wants to get rid of 12 million people somehow and make america great again. you know that because it's on his hat. so beyond make america great again and his poll numbers and immigration, it's just hard to know what this campaign is really about. >> it reall...

>> so that was miss alabama and this, i think is interesting, ryan, because i don't know, i think that might be some political analysis where she said some of these candidates should be absolutely terrified. >> i was just going to say, we should invite her onto the panel here. she's, good political there. >> did she win? >> i don't know. i fell asleep. >> ryan, no she did not win. fact check. ryan, this is pretty, this is amazing, right? >> do we know what her political affiliation is? it's interesting she said the republican party should be terrified and frankly, she's channelling the feeling...

And donald trump is holding a huge rally in dallas with a crowd of 20,000 people expected to turn out. i do want to bring back now ryan lizzo and jeffrey toobin and michael with us, as well. i don't know if you guys were watching the ms. america pageant live, i suspect not, however, which direction am i going you might wonder? donald trump came up this weekend at the miss america pageant. he is everywhere. let's take a listen. >> why do you think he's leading by such an overwhelming margin? >> i think donald trump is an entertainer, and i think he says what's on a lot of people's minds, but i ...