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>> but you're saying, wait -- >> that is barack obama. >> is romney running on the ryan plan or not? >> he's running on his own version of those ideas. >> let -- >> paul ryan -- is the second on the ticket. >> let me take a step back and get your impression. one of the things that we've already seen just on this program so far is that i don't think, who are real allies of paul ryan who are not in a position to defend -- >> i didn't hear what rich wants this morning so far which is republicans going out there and defending the ryan plan on medicare in a way and going on offense. >> let's be cle...

>> is romney running on the ryan plan or not? he said that he is. >> he's running on his own version of those ideas. >> let me -- >> paul ryan is the second on the ticket. >> let me take a step back and get your impression. one of the things that we've already seen just on this program so far is that i don't think -- here were real allies of paul ryan who were not in a position to defend -- >> i didn't hear what rich wants this morning so far, which is republicans going out there and defending the ryan plan on medicare in a way and going on offense. >> let's be clear, it's what rich wants that...

>> let me take a step back and get your impression. one of the things that we've already seen just on this program so far is that i don't think, who are real allies of paul ryan who are not in a position to defend -- >> i didn't hear what rich wants this morning so far which is republicans going out there and defending the ryan plan on medicare in a way and going on offense. >> let's be clear it's what rich wants that matters. >> did not sound like a guy who wants to have that conversation. and i think that this is going to be the struggle. i am fascinated by the fact, look, i don't think you ...