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Paul ryan more likely, less likely on helping romney and comparing it for palin, biden, edwards, lieberman and cheney. all of the other ones i mentioned added a plus factor to that nominee when they were named. paul ryan did not. what do you explain -- why do you think that's the case? >> here's what he added. if you look at mitt romney's personal feeling thermometer of republicans, it's the highest it's ever been at 74% positive. republicans have an intensity advance in ter advantage. we are watching the ryan pick excite the republican base and i think that's the positive contribution he's ma...

Platform. they will have the language in the platform that bans abortion in the case of rape. you hope they have todd akin to kick around in the race. >> that bill would redefine rape. they call it forceable rape. i wonder, shira, what is the likelihood this is going to stick or hurt paul ryan? >> i don't know it will hurt paul ryan that much in the long term. a lot of republican members signed on to the bill you just mentioned. >> only one is running for vice president. >> that is absolutely a good point. very true. i think when people think of paul ryan, they think of his budget. it is no se...

What energized the author here. and it's clear that the ryan pick has energized the republican base, there is no doubt. look at that rally you're about to show in new hampshire? there are a lot of people there. it's a swing state and they are very enthusiastic about mitt romney. now what's it doing with the independent voters that both sides are fighting for? it's a khra sha cliche to say it but we just don't know. we'll know later. martha: one of the biggest messages that they need to work on, one of their aims today would be to clarify the medicare issue. are you surprised at the way that is...

Them obama is slightly ahead. so he is very close to taking this thing. he only needs if he can keep, ohio, in miss column it would be -- there is pretty much no way romney can get there. i know karl has some sets of states that would make up for ohio but ohio now ohio and i think virginia become very critical. >> chris: bill there is a lot of talk and you heard it especially this week among pollsters when you drill down into the numbers less than 5%, some people say 3% of voters who are truly undecided. truly up for grabs and the argue goes that they are are not going to end up being that imp...

Ryan pick shifts the issue area to medicare. you know, looking back, are they going to wish they had these 25 days back in talking about the economy, in trying to make the case that they have a better economic? the romney campaign will argue, hey, we're already winning that. we can talk about other issues. but it seems as if, if you ask the obama campaign, hey, would you like to take 25 days off from talking about the economy, they'd have said yes. >> do you not argue, again, somebody who's aligned with the tea party, hey, all for the good? let's talk about debts, let's talk about taxes, let's...