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Overwhelming, that they would fire up the base to the point where they could lead this conversation, and it would be a conversation connecting deficit cutting with creating jobs. and that's obviously not where we're at. because we've never got beyond the scary parts of the ryan budget, and the fact that actually it doesn't really balance the budget, at least not for 30 years or more. so there's a problem here with choosing someone who isn't clearly ready to step up to the number one job. that's really the only test for a vp pick. can you imagine them as president? and instead, you get this bac...

Will be the few more people they can squeeze out to vote on those lines will be what will push them in the white house. >> in 2004 they called it swift boating. marge, let me ask you. the facts speak for themselves. look at the weekend's announcement. before the announcement over the weekend, president obama in the polls was at 45, mitt romney at 46. after the weekend, president obama's at 45, mitt romney's at 47. with all that bold deciding, a one point increase, i don't think mr. ryan came in with the great lift that everyone thought he would. >> i think here in washington we want immediate ...

Over 8% in the most recent report. if you look at the most reliable bar amter of where the race stands, the average of all the polls out there, romney's been running a few stubborn and critical points behind obama. choosing ryan was supposedly romney's way of saying he understood. he had to do something dramatic. yes, it was a gamble but a gold medal billion arguably worth taking. here's the part i don't get. the whole reason it is a gamble is because of ryan's budget plan. budget plan envision as wholesale restructuring of medicare and medicaid, sweeping tax cuts for the wealthy, zeroing out ...

>> clearly, it's not working for them. you all saw the approval ratings for the ryan pick. the lowest approval rating since dan kwail was selected as a vice presidential nominee. even sarah palin had higher ratings. so their tactic is not working. seniors know because of the savings that barack obama found in medicare were able to close the door hole for them and provide all matter of screenings that are critical. they know the same savings that romney and ryan put in that ad, ryan himself accounts for those savings in his budget and house republicans who want to repeal obama care have voted t...

The future. i think the better it is for all of us. they lose credibility. >> sean: what i see in the ryan pick, a seriousness in governor romney. this is a fight we want. we want to examine obama's record and we want to talk about how we would do things differently. this is a fight i think they are signaling saying we can win. they can win without these distractions? >> that governor romney can win? >> sean: yes. >> absolutely. kim stossel says we are seeing intellectual poverty on the side of the president. they don't have any ideas. they have tried their policies. their policies have failed...