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Simpson-bowles plan. the plan reduced the deficit through the balance approach that clued additional targets cuts and also revenue from closing a lot of the special interest tax breaks for very wealthy people, tax breaks which mitt romney and paul ryan talked been on the campaign trail. >> neil: they were without raising the overall rate. now we have the rates raised. so republicans talk of a need for a trigger. they might go along with this tax break stuff and all their closing the loopholes, that they did agree it's sort of wasting time and money and the tax code, but you guys have then got ...

And we could do the 10% copay through 2044 and if they change change the law, we would have built up money for unexpected medical expenses. so, again, there are thoughtful ways to do it. every state is different, but in michigan we have plan i think is thoughtful and effective. >> neil: we'll watch closely, thank you. in the meantime, from granny off the cliff to the new pile on paul. democrats making him to be the devil again. herman cain says the joke will be on them. alright, bring the model in on the set! work the camera... work it! those hands. oooh la la! what's your secret? dawn? [ fema...

Current scenario we're headed on, it's going to be 26. which, according to my simple extrapolation, means it's going to be $32 trillion. the democrats do not want to balance the budget, and let me tell you one other -- >> neil: you don't buy their plan. the closest we hays patty murray's plan, which doesn't balance it in ten years but does find some potential little ground, the argument goes, between what ryan is trying to do -- because he does put caps on defense spending, she puts caps on other spending -- that maybe in a weird way, there is a way to bridge this divide. what do you think? >>...

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Healthcare i was supposed to get? and she indicated, she is going to have to decide to pay the fine or pay the rent on her house. that is an unintended consequence i don't think a lot of people are going to put up with. >> neil: thank you very much good. seeing you again. >> thank you, neil. >> neil: paul ryan's budget democratic counterpart. congress i know you agree with everything herman cain just said. i guess i want to see where this goes from here, because obviously the ryan plan goes nowhere in the senate. i imagine it goes nowhere with guys like you, i imagine. patty murray's plan in t...