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In this deal, are there new taxes in the end? i know what your position is. but what does reality tell you? >> this can play out several ways. if we have tv cameras in there, cspan there, if we have seven days of bills -- these are 24i7k things that obama promised. >> no, that's not going to happen. >> we are going to get tv cameras in there. what i'm tired of is people saying one thing and then doing something different. >> will it go up? >> it depends. if people watch it on c span -- >> he talks about cspan and transparency. the president's plan is out there on the internet. let speaker boeh...

Increases and zero reforms. our savings come from not occupying iraq for the next 20 years. the budget they put forward was laughed out of the house and the senate last year. no democrat wanted to agree to that before they ran for re-election. >> but you're making the case because there is still the fundamental question of whether republicans feel beholden to the position that they cannot raise taxes, even if it's mandatory for how government out to operate. >> well, it didn't work that well in greece. not so positive in spain. these countries were deeply committed to your position. no tax inc...

Extended tax breaks for the middle class. but he is also meeting privately with ceos. he has a bad relationship with wall street and with corporate america generally. he has presented much of this plan. what's the feedback he's getting? >> there will be a big recession if you don't get behind him. i'm finding many republican ceos -- by the way, most ceos are republican. they are on board. they are not on board with you because they fear your view because they think that you do not favor going -- you favor going over the cliff. that's what they think. they think that you favor -- >> just for th...

No tax increases. >> those states were bankrupted by their overspending. >> no one wanted to pay for it. >> the modern republican party wants less taxes and lower spending. they passed a ryan plan which reforms entitlements, reforms taxes, doesn't raise taxes. it's the democrats who don't have a legislative budget. >> make the case for why you view this the president making a truly balanced approach to not just solving this problem but really moving the economy forward. >> well, he has. and first of all, let's be clear. the way you get massive tax increases, $5 trillion tax increases, is if yo...

Wealthiest 2% of americans, would subject the average that i have shared with the american to big tax increase and white house, shared with boehner, shared with mcconnell, enormous damage from the other in order to move us beyond this cuts that would happen. silly debate that's taking and there's just no reason why the country has to go through place. the fact is, claire knows this that. and we have a chance to do and i know this. something much better. there are serious reforms that not just for the long-term have to take place in medicare health of the american economy, but for the immediate...