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As part of that you have a real opportunity to do entitlement reform. if you think about the ryan plan, there are components of it that you could put into a broader deal. they would be very appealing to conservatives that don't kick in for a decade but start to give you some semblance of stability or possibility of stability for medicare in the long term that would resonate with the ryan crowd, would look different from what the ryan plan looks like today, but there are pieces that you can piece together. it's like the health care plan. you could repeal the obama health care plan, retain some ...

The can will always get kicked down the road. it's a plausible argument. >> yeah, because it's proof of-- >> do you have any proof of otherwise, adam. are you kidding? >> and they will to address this in some way in january. we know that. because of the fiscal cliff. maybe they'd kick the can down the road again, but where i also agree with charlie, with unemployment as high as it is, this is no time to have-- >> why, why. >> and by the way, you want to start doing stuff, make a-- >> unemployment as high as it is. >> we have the bowles simpson plan, the ryan plan, where you do it in a concerte...

Nominee who will never be president himself, you're right. he's just completely destroyed his reputation. >> and, keith, if the romney/ryan ticket loses as the polls indicate that it will, one of the big reasons is going to be paul ryan and the policies advanced by paul ryan in the republican house ofs that he forced them all to vote on and commit to at various points in time. what are the chances that republicans will realize how much of a problem paul ryan created for them in the last couple of years? >> i don't think it's very likely. i think the republicans seem to be in denial about what'...

This is a guy who is the vp nominee who will never be president himself, you're right. he's just completely destroyed his reputation. >> and, keith, if the romney/ryan ticket loses as the polls indicate that it will, one of the big reasons is going to be paul ryan and the policies advanced by paul ryan in the republican house of representatives, policies that he forced them all to vote on and commit to at various points in time. what are the chances that republicans will realize how much of a problem paul ryan created for them in the last couple of years? >> i don't think it's very likely. i t...

>> you often have where a member of congress is running for president or vice president and they present this long track record of votes that you can ding them on. saying one thing on the campaign trail, but voting a different way during their long congressional careers in some cases. but with paul ryan, it's different, because it's just not that he's cast these votes, but that he is a primary author of this plan, the ryan plan.