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On the people who are making a ton of money and now they want to take that money and put it back into people so that they can make money off students. >> i think medicare is a tougher argument to make than pell grant, education, r & d, infrastructure. >> if you look at the polling, seniors get it. they actually understand what the ryan plan would do, what mitt romney's plan would do. >> republicans were ahead of democrats, mitt romney was last week, on medicare. >> not the numbers i'm seeing. >> let me ask you quickly about connecticut. are the jobs coming back? what can we do to grow the econ...

Give you. don't fight with a person who is irrational because from a distance, you can't tell who's rational and who's not. monica, i do want to ask you about this and whether or not this is a lie. let's hear romney's fundamental promise, the one thing he said he would do. let's listen to this. >> i have a plan to create 12 million new jobs. paul ryan and i have five steps. >> all right. so five steps, 12 million new jobs. look, okay. is that true? >> we had not heard enough from anyone to be able to support a claim like we're going to be able to create 12 million new jobs. but i think the iss...

Truth and presenting lies at the same time. >> let me push on this truth question because we did hear that from christie, from ryan, also this idea that we're the people who will tell you the hard truths. but then also said but don't worry, we are not going to be sort of dominated by fact checkers. that's not going to be central to what we're doing here. >> what's the old adage? you know a politician's lying when his lips are moving. i mean, i think this is something that if we're going to talk about politicians not telling the truth, this happens on both parties across the aisle. >> it really...

Control? yes. part of what the right is attempting to do right now, and you could see it in tampa is actually use a time machine. to take us back before the social ruptures of the mid-20th century that allowed women and pleem of color people of color more access. >> i thought they were on task on jobs and the economy. that was the first priority. >> 50 years ago, the greatest generation, my grandfather -- >> there is just no way to get a job if you're constantly pregnant. >> that's right. >> thank you, irin and rebecca, the rest of you are back for more a little later. next we're actually go...

2020 through more growth policy-- >> what is it now? >> well, if you just look at public debt, it's about 75%, when you count what we owe social security and medicare, it's 105. so if we just look at the public debt. 75, let's get that to 60% of gdp by 2020. pro growth, do more fiscal responsibilities. neil, as you know, at the end of world war ii we were at 122. we went down to the 30's and we didn't pay off a dollar of debt. >> neil: does it make a difference, dave, if we get the government as a shareholder of overall spending, i think they want to bring it down and the ryan plan to-- i thin...