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Well aware that with the possible exception of the pope himself and that's arguable, charles coughlin was the most influential catholic on earth. even though he was really controversial and getting more so all the time, the church gave him a wide berth until they didn't i mean, when he started explicitly telling his followers, i choose the road of fascism, that was awkward for his bosses at the church when he organized his followers into an armed militia in the united states and one unit of that militia got put on trial for making and stockpiling bombs and attempting a violent overthrow of the...

And bigger deal on the radio and he got more and more political and more and more radically right wing in his broadcasts, sometimes his views allied with the views and the catholic church, sometimes they didn't. thanks to his massive reach on the radio, his huge success on that medium, more dominant than anyone ever before or since, because he was such a big deal in the media, you know, both coughlin and the church were well aware that with the possible exception of the pope himself and that's arguable, charles coughlin was the most influential catholic on earth.

Some is just destroy everything and figure out what's going on. some is make our allies mad. it's fair to say it's hard to say this a cohesive strategy. what i do know is that sort of disruption of the national security process. do we know what that means when we put chad on the list. ? all of those questions are not interest greated into trump's decision making process. we can thank steve bannon for that. even though one could argue that there's not some disruptive change by trump, that's arguable. the processes have been so imploded already. the next president will have to rebuild processes ...

Decisions? when you put a country like chad on the muslim ban, do we know what that means? do we understand that we have troops there. all of those questions are not fully integrated into trump's decision-making process. we can thank steve bannon for that. even though one could argue that there's not some disruptive change by trump, that's arguable. the processes have been so imploded already. that the next president is going to have to rebuild processes, right, and non-partisanship in our national strategy if there isn't some major catastrophe between now and then. >> everybody gets their tur...

Meetings with awful people, you don't lead into if meeting by saying you're a murderous regime, i hate you. if we're trying to prevent a nuclear war, then we're going to have to say some things that make conversation possible. i say hold your friends close. your enemies closer. we should be talking to them. this is a dangerous situation. we could get a war that no one wants because of miscalculation. my complaint with trump is not that. my complaint is the messages and signals are all over the place. every day it's a different message. >> well, jim, i think i can agree with a lot of what you h...