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south carolina where he's got food and he's slamming the bushes, and he wins handily in southat carolina. at that point, i think he was in the driver's seat and there was no turning back. >> that was the big moment for you.u. richard, when did you say this guy might have a chance? or did you ever say? >> i thought he had a chance of being a nominee. i think the s chance, the momeni had the realization was when all of these other republican candidates started falling on themselves.th i think the moment for me was when ted cruz was like, i am going to make a special announcement, i am going to pick a vice presidential candidate. he picked carly fiorina. did that just happen? are you supposed to do that? is that part of the rules of politics? i think what donald trump shows us is for the primary season you can play it by ear to be president of the united states. >> there was always a conversation about dollars that were being spent, obviously. eventually, we saw so much more spent with hillary clinton versus donald trump, but even the other republicans he was up against. donald trump had the free media. he was on the tv all the time.

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