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Dead to rights, she said ask, but we know she knew it was not eggs, you're talking perjury, it doesn't sound like you are near there but we didn't really just believe them on the whole. >> that sort of my point with the potential for witnesses, i would say tampering but at least influencing, that is a really serious claim. and they made it with not a ton of specifics behind it. >> and without a criminal referral. >> that is correct. >> maggie, thank you very much. s.e. cupp and eli will stick around. waiting for, charters against a former defendant and president, what can the doj do that the...

Today. let's dive right into joining me now, maggie haberman, senior political correspondent for the near times, s.e. cupp, and ellie. >> that was awesome. that was an awesome intro. >> if it was good, it was siu generous, to say the first time. >> it had berman written all over it. >> for maggie haberman, who wrote on twitter about an analysis that you just posted the new york times about donald trump, and the referrals today, largely symbolic but unprecedented referrals by the house committee of a former president underscore the reality that trump is facing, a diminished figure politically. ...

Spoiler alert, none. but it's also the mid term election defeats. the mar-a-lago dinner with an antisemite in a white nationalist. the idea of terminating parts of the constitution, that all this adds up to someone even republican supporters don't want to deal with anymore. especially in a world where ron desantis exists. that may be tonight, donald trump is less like the guy on the court in the holy grail, and more like bruce willis in the sixth sense. politically dead, but no one told him. sorry, i missed the spoiler there. that's the question hanging over everything we will discuss tonight....

Work. >> all right. sara murray, we're going to be watching that. you, as well. thank you so much for that live report. thanks for the update. joining us, s.e. cupp and molly. i want to ask about the trump investigations in a moment. let's go back to elon musk and the 180 he's doing. almost a 180. he's holding the twitter accounts hostage at this point until they meet his demands. what kind of a world are we living in where elon musk is happy to restore the accounts of donald trump and marjorie taylor green and folks like that. but people like donie o'sullivan are getting suspended for doing...

Dimensional chess and announce that kari lake was going to be his vice president. instead, he was announcing that he was offering more products, trump-branded products. >> yeah. it's not three-dimensional chess. it's more like pokemon cards, basically. s.e., we would be remiss if we did not collection did sell out. that's what we're told. who really knows? what do republicans think of all this? >> well, as you pointed out, spokes like steve bannon are a little embarrassed by this. i would be more embarrassed by the racism and sexism and bi big bigotry. it looks cheap and desperate. it's kind o...