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Had to know. when i told them i wouldn't tell them where i'm getting the money from. if you want out, you can get out. they chose to stay in. for them, he has no sympathy. for people closer to him personally, he goes oh, we ket them in the dark. >> other thing he said is the government is the real ponzi scheme. that government regulation is what -- >> the s. e.c. >> some might argue that they weren't doing their job when it comes to bernie madoff. they didn't investigate him and come up with what he was doing. >> behind bars, he is very upset and devastated by his son mark's suicide. >> did i ...