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Maybe closer to samuel alito and chief justice roberts. >> he's in the pragmatist wing of the conservative block. but the varieties of interpretation and originalism on display are interesting. justice thomas had a concurrence where he talked about respect for precedent. he said when faced with erroneous precedent, my rule is simple, we should not follow it. [ laughter ] paul: that would throw out an awful lot of law. >> an antonin scalia described himself as a faint hearted originalist. paul: when we come back, overland college is ordered to pay $44 million in damages after a jury finds it de...

Defame the bakery. i think if you look at the evidence, like the jury did, it's pretty clear that they did. paul: dan, let's step away a bit here and look at the consequences. what's the larger meaning of this? is this a one-off or is this something that other universities really should be concerned about? >> oh, i think they should be and i think they are. because the big thing here with the overland decision is in terms of the legal analysis was that something like this -- a lot of these incidents happen on campuses now, there's a racial element, students protest, they accuse people of racis...