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>> that's exactly right. and that's what we've seen, as you have heard the secretary of defense says that up to this point the response has been strong, and it's been effective. and it looks like for the next phase, the actual enforcement of the no-fly zone that with the exception of the shoulder-held anti-aircraft missiles that there won't be a lot of threat to our forces. they'll still be -- >> those fingers or those shoulder-fired missiles, they're pretty effective and they're pretty hard to find if somebody's walking around with them. you can put them in the trunk of a car. >> i am not mea...

Of defense, he says that up to this point the response has been strong and it's been effective. it looks like for the next phase, the actual enforcement of the no-fly zone, that with the exception of the shoulder-held antiaircraft missiles, that there won't be a lot of threat to our forces. they'll still be -- >> those shoulder-fired missiles are pretty effective and they're pretty hard to find if somebody's walking around with them. you can put them in the trunk of a car. >> i am not meaning to minimize it but the real big guns out there, as-5s, sa-2s, those seem to have taken out. now there ...