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They had some signs of the weapons systems moving across the border before the plane went down. we learned today that those pro-russian rebels took down 12 aircraft in recent weeks, not just three or four as u.s. officials had said. i just wonder if this is not an intelligence failure, because they had the intelligence. i suppose it's how did you use it. is this a policy failure that something wasn't done before to warn airlines to try to target some of these weapons systems, to prevent this from happening? >> yeah. there's a lot to this. now, a lot of the aircraft that were shot down were don...

Weeks leading up to it which is three times as many as u.s. officials told us before. 12 aircraft in eastern ukraine. the u.s. had knowledge of surface-to-air missiles. you as a pilot, would you have flown through that area knowing that information? would you consider it safe to fly through that area had you and other pilots and other airlines known that? >> no. there would be absolutely no way i would fly through that area without any sort of concrete intelligence information, and if i was aware of this, these missiles were available, really, the short answer would have been no. >> just remar...

So yeah, i think there was a little bit of -- i don't think it was an intelligence failure so much as maybe a systemic failure in the air traffic control system. >> how to react to it and make sure the flights are safe. >> i would have immediately stopped the flights over that area as soon as i saw that 21,000 feet. >> bob, i wonder, a lot of the most interesting evidence has come from these intercepted phone calls by ukrainian intelligence and today, you have another one. it's almost i think as i said earlier, almost as if you and i had written a script to prove that the russians had hidden t...

Satellites, radars and phone intercepts. they narrowed in on two pieces of critical information detected by u.s. satellite and radar feeds. first, a surface-to-air missile system had been turned on in a separatist-controlled area in eastern ukraine. a moment later, a u.s. satellite captured the heat signature of a midair explosion. >> we know that within hours of this event, this particular system passed through two towns right in the vicinity of the shoot-down. we know because we observed it by imagery that at the moment of the shoot-down, we detected a launch from that area and our trajector...