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System, wendy kopf, teach for all and sal kan is one of the most innovative educators in the world and the founder of kan academy and tom friedman the three-time pulitzer prize winning columnist for the new york times. joel you've seen these results for years. what do you think is the big takeaway? >> the clear takeaway is we're stuck and not getting the results we need with our kids and we're going to pay a human price if we don't change, change quickly and rapidly. two points people should understand, pisa tests the kind of skills that the market is going to demand, the kind of higher order ...

Kids and the most important thing about this school wendy and i went to, 40% of the kids came from migrant families. this was not some elite school what of so. >> sal, you're not as worried i think when we talk about these test scores. you think that there's a lot more to education than just test scores? >> the place where i am less worried, sometimes when you see the national rankings, you say these will be the ones that eat our lunch one day. we've been middling on these country wide rankings for about 50 years but the amount of innovation and economic creation happening in the u.s. is accel...