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Are unjust. >> but, sam, bottom line, bottom line here, do you see really yes or no from your perspective in washington, d.c., is there room here for compromise? there are thousands of people furious over this. yet, there is a multimillion dollar shortfall in the state of wisconsin. >> there is room for compromise. part of the reason that the rally is i think so acute, although i think it would be an issue that would get people out no matter what is because of the climate that's been created over the past 12 months where i think because it's a simpler narrative, the reality is lots of educator...

Union does work and it definitely works in wisconsin. >> that's right. it's all about that solidarity message is what this is all about out here. >> all right. i just wanted to make sure we explained that. got both sides. like you said, it's solidarity standing by colleagues. hillary mints, thank you. i want to bring in sam chal taken, an educator and organizational change consultant. you know, same states are considering doing the same thing. is there a better way to get this done? i don't know if you heard my conversation with that state senator, that democrat. but there seems maybe a little...