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Documents he told them the stuff he was going to bring. they were asking about other stuff and he says, by the way, do you want the enemy list i brought with me? nobody had any idea it was coming. the room erupts. the senator questioning him has no idea what to say in response. it's nervous laughter. sam dash comes in and says yes, we would like a copy of that, sir. it's just a truly shocking moment. it was shocking not just because the president had a list of enemies but because the reason they had a list of enemies was to use the power of the federal government to go ruin those people's live...

Question about it, she volunteers to offer a senate committee a document that the president ordered to make -- to compose, which is incredibly incriminating of the president. john dean was in the thick of all of this stuff. he was in the thick of all of this criminality just months before he became this highly cooperating witness right there on tv. >> yeah. i mean, this is -- i think like -- so it's -- like imagine it's don mcgahn sitting there in a committee hearing and he volunteers, you know, you guys haven't asked me about this, but you know that the president personally intervened with th...

Or he may provide a report to the acting attorney general and it may not become public. so it's incumbent on the congress to exercise its response lkt as well and not just pass it over to the special counsel. that's one process but the other has to be a fully independent investigation and just like the 9/11 commission, all of those efforts can be brought under one house. and that would be deconflicting. there must be an independent commission. so the republicans' work is not done. >> i think donna and i are trying to get to the sam place. based on my 20 years in capitol hill, i've never seen a...

Smart guys do. he is a pulitzer prize winning presidential historian and author. his terrific recent biography of president bush 41. it is good to have you here. >> used to be water gate took from june 17, 1972 until august 9, 1974. and cox had 14 months. and i remember you read the books, you read the sam dash's memoir and it was rapid but not like this. we haven't gotten to the underlying infrastructure of the entire question of whether someone associated with the president of the united states or perhaps the president of the united states committed treason by constitutional definition givin...

Guests so far tonight. we have one more. john meacham is here to put all of this into perspective as smart guysdo. he is a pulitzer prize winning presidential historian and author. his terrific recent biography of president bush 41. it is good to have you here. >> used to be water gate took from june 17, 1972 until august 9, 1974. and cox had 14 months. and i remember you read the books, you read the sam dash's memoir and it was rapid but not like this. we haven't gotten to the underlying infrastructure of the entire question of whether someone associated with the