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But in the end i didn't know what ehrlichman was doing. and the tell is the air force one statement, where trump personally dictated a false account of the trump tower meeting. if he didn't know, he would have said i didn't know about this detail. i was running for president. >> i predict right now in our near future we're going to hear rudy giuliani say collusion on the part of the president's family? there might have been family members involved in collusion but it wasn't the president. his son, son-in-law, daughter, wife. but the president was insulated. he had no idea what his family was d...

It really comes down to does mitch mcconnell want to do this? i think it's getting there. the poll numbers this morning were fairly abysmal for the president. i don't think it's going to last once the government reopens but he's bleeding support from his base and white evangelicals, white men without college degrees. people are leaving him even though he has it in his mindset needs the shutdown in order to keep him. >> a lot of words from bill and sam and not one about cardi b. i'm waiting for reaction to the cardi b. bite. i got nothing from any of these guys on cardi b. >> we need to expedit...

Of "the daily beast" sam kimes. heidi, it looks like speaker pelosi's trip is if not canceled, postponed. does this have any impact on negotiations though? >> it's hard to see, nicole, what the strategic end goal here was for the president. when nancy pelosi denied him his state of the union platform, that's obvious what she's taking away from him. it's one of the biggest rhetorical benefits the president had to be able to stand up there in front of the nation and lay out his agenda. in doing this, he took less than 24 hours. he obviously was trying to find some way to strike back at her. but ...

Matter, in the context of a shutdown. open up the government and democrats and republicans agree that we are going to have structured debate and a vote on not only border security but a much broader look at immigration reform. but you've got to open up the government. you've got to open it up now. that's what my constituents are telling me and they're federal government employees. they don't want to see us capitulate to a president holding us hostage >> congressman brown, thank you for spending time with us. please come back. we appreciate hearing from you. joining us now, phillipe rains, form...