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Party and seeing polls in ohio, and i talked to him about this, i don't believe he initially thought he was going to win, but he saw a pathway and worked hard and won the election. so everyone under estimates this guy. he's been successful in business. built a billion dollar real estate business and brand company. then he went into politics. and within two years took on the republican democratic establishment. the media establishment like cnn and other networks. and he still won. so i think everybody under estimates. oh, trying to figure out why he's doing this or not doing that. >> and i'm no...

60%. deregulation on massive scale. i think nobody ever talks about this, and i think that is what is going to be important for donald trump at the end of the day. what are the results that he's delivering to the voters that brought him in, surprisingly, into power. >> sure. but just last quick question. do you think though at the end of the day, chris ruddy that president trump is an accidental president? >> i think that's a fair word. i think he wasn't intending it. i think he was accidentally, it was a series of accidental circumstances that led to it. but i also think at the same time, it'...

What's he hoping to do? or is he laying low? >> he's -- i don't think he's laying low. i think he's exploring different avenues and places to go. and, you know, this was one of the first things he wanted to do. which was to kind of get this out in the open and talk about what had happened honestly. you know, does he need to do more of that? maybe that'll be up top public, but this was a first step. and he knows that he had to do this. and where he goes next, look, i think he's going to have a lot of opportunities. he's a very talented guy. he still has a lot of respect among political operativ...

Campaign, not many people within team trump thought they would win, making plans to do tv, whatever else. in fact, candidate trump was quoted telling his aide sam none berg quote i can be the most famous man in the world. yes, running for president is going to raise anyone's profile. but how much was it about fame? >> well, let's remember, sam none berg, good guy, he left the campaign fairly early. he was one of the initial architects of the campaign. i think when the president first announced he was expected to give voice for a lot of the issues he was concerned about the republican party and...

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