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Depths. there are more bottoms to hit. to sam's point, yeah, the president may behave himself tonight and may try to hush the crowd and probably has passed the word from the campaign, let's not do the chant thing tonight because everyone is watching, but he's right. it will happen again. it will be encouraged further on down the line and that, again, speaks to who we are as people when we allow that to happen. >> i would just say, you know, to make sure that that other thing is not less liked than donald trump, the democrats have to move forward and actually show a different vision i think of ...

From the well of the worst, most dangerous impulses that humans have in politics. and i think it's kind of important to remember that. those are the stakes of what our politics are at this moment. does this darkness continue to be stoked by the most powerful man in the world or not? i'm joined now by sam seder and michael steele, msnbc political analyst and former chair of the rnc. sam, the president had a rally again tonight and it was insane for me to see not wrongly the news cycle, will the racist president incite the mobs at his rally to chant racist things tonight as a story that was real...

The words impeach or impeachment mentioned 85 separate times with the argument citing this, a constitutional power of the utmost gravity approval of articles of impeachment. right now, 96 democrats are calling for an impeachment inquiry, seven have come out in support after mueller's testimony including the highest ranking democrat so far congresswoman catherine clark, the sixth ranking house democrat based her decision on "unprecedented stonewalling and ob sfrukzstruction." >> jill wine back, did, sam seder, host of the majority report radio show and christina beltran, nyu professor. jill, i ...

And sam seder, the host of t tth the majority of new york radio show. why do you think first and foremost drrp is reminiscing about the last time he was eyeball-to-eyeball with rob mueller? >> this is straight out of the playbook. delegitimize everyone who has an opportunity to delegitimize you. if you make it sound like there was some kind of cozy relationship with robert mueller and then robert mueller becomes the special counsel and drops this report, already there's a huge base who is ready to discredit the mueller report, who has an even bigger reason to do so now. >> i think that's right...

Is, i don't know what i'm doing? that's a defense. which is different than, i'm here to commit, melissa, an overt act as spattpart of a conspiracy. those are different things. >> those are very different things. and i think this is a group of individuals especially well suited to launch an ignorance defense. that said, there are some telling tidbits that have come out over the course of this investigation that lean more toward a concerted effort to do things that would help out dad rather than just mere ignorance. and i think that really might be the worry. and even if he's not going to be ind...