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In 2014 and he was probably responsible for the sinking in 2010. and those were attributed to kim jong-un and it means that kim young-chul is his can do it man. that he can get things done. >> and sam, you have aides close to president trump including john bolton and they're saying to the president, look, even if this is just a cursory meeting, this is a diplomatic victory for you. do you think that is definite? >> it definitely looks like the meeting is going to happen, but i think we have to be careful about calling a face-to-face meeting a diplomatic break through unto itself. a face-to-fac...

Lessons kim is learning about all of. this one that president trump really wants the summit and that he's willing to constrain himself or constrain the government, for example, by not releasing sanctions at this point to get this summits. the fact that the president was so warm and welcoming and excited frankly about the meeting being on in his twitter account that it shows kim that he can play a few games here and there and that the u.s. president will buckle to a certain extent. >> sam, let's talk about what denuclearization would actually look like because that's the sticking point. that's ...

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When north korea fires missile sometimes they fly over our northern islands and like you see the chinese engaging with the north koreas making sure their interests are represented you're seeing japan do the exact same thing. let's discuss all of it. sam vin owe grad, national security advisory board and. nice to have you both here and let's begin with you. someone so high up, someone so integral to nuclear debates and negotiations is going to set foot in the united states this week, changing something that hasn't happened here for two decades. >> can we also talk about how kim young-chul, he...