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Very strong about the kind of response that will take place if they invade. >> the preparations at the moment, you mentioned the don't trust factor which is huge here. there's an arms transfer. both the united states and the united states also approved for nato allies to take u.s. arms they might have and transfer them into ukraine. allies sending anti-aircraft and tank systems. requesting the transfer of some high technology helicopters to ukraine. a, are those the right steps, and, b, what else would you be recommending to the president of the united states right now? >> well, i think it's v...

Buying in. they need electricity, power too much to agree. chinese have not come on board. these are unilateral american sanctions. they're also not complete. they don't involve the heart of russia's power, oil and natural gas. when you have leaky sanctions like that, historically they rarely work. >> and of course the european union leaders meeting today now. what does the u.s. need to do? what can the u.s. do to influence european lead pers to get into this sanction game? >> i think what we have to recognize is we're not going to get a perfect solution in terms of trying to make russia pay a...

The best way to deal with a bully, you don't negotiate with bullies. you punch them in the face immediately. then you go from there. with iran jonas brought up, what do sanctions do? i tell what you sanctions did in this case. it prevents them from developing their nuclear arsenal. they can't trade with countries like france and germany. they can't develop their weapons systems. they can't acquire electronics or enrich plutonium. no wonder they were celebrating there. they got all the good stuff and we got nothing in return. >> north koreans got nuclear sanctions. we could have played the sanc...