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That we can to bolster the diplomatic efforts and to keep the conversations going with russia to the very last minute. but to be clear, alex, right, the person who can ensure that this doesn't happen is president putin. he is the one who is the aggressor here. so the united states' position is to do everything it can through our diplomatic efforts, including crushing economic sanctions that are ready to be implemented to ensure that our interests are protected and that the interests around the world are protected. >> you bring up a good point relative to sanctions. in his speech at the munich ...

This initial sanctions package and they pulled it off here in paris with that meeting of eu foreign ministers. but there are cracks underneath the surface. why? because sanctions against russia and counter measures against moscow affect some european countries more than others. everyone is worrying about energy prices at the moment but the germany, austria, hungary, italy, they are particularly reliant on gas supplies are very close trade ties with moscow. i can tell you another sign of a division and that is between france, germany, who have concentrated very much on the diplomatic track, and...

And the fact as we heard from matt bodner that there is very little information getting out to the russian people right now. >> it is not helpful when you have a former president of the united states praising putin's brilliance after invasion of a sovereign country. i think there is fair grounds for criticism of the biden administration's handling of russia in the opening months of 2021. but since this crisis began, i think the administration has actually done a pretty good job of getting the allies on board, of coming up with a sanctions package that may not deter putin but will certainly inf...

>> reporter: so the u.s. has been working with allies to craft the sanctions package should russia invade ukraine, and they are not bending to pressure from some to unvam the sanctions before an invasion takes place. secretary of state antony blinken is set to speak and meet with his russian counterpart, foreign minister sergey lavrov, on thursday. but that meeting will only move forward if russia who is not invaded ukraine by that moment. so the white house is hoping that the u.s. along with its allies could continue to walk down that diplomatic path with russia even as that invasion looms. >...

They are hoping at the last minute, he will change his mind. >> jeremy, you are on the ground there, whereas the president we just heard a little clip of him saying russia can still choose diplomacy. my question is, do you have a sense from the folks that you are talking to, if that is the american strategy to rattle him, could it be successful? is there still a chance to avoid an all-out invasion here? >> well, here is what i think it has been successful at. it has been successful at constraining putin's options, delaying his march on ukraine, that has given us time. the time has been critica...