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That is something that we are far more dependent on — peace — then gas. kristina, i mean come on this issue of sanctions, yes, carry on talking, you are all saying. but you have got to have a threat of "or else" and the sanctions path. i mean, do you see unity between washington, which isn't dependent on russian gas, with the europeans on this? yes, we have actually seen very good unity. first of all, in nato, all 30 members together on wednesday said the same thing. that is that they are not going to give up ukraine's choice tojoin the alliance, despite russian demands. and on the sanctio...

Elected governments are going to see the lights and the heating go down in their countries? i think so, because we are even more dependent upon peace in europe. and peace in europe is dependent upon respecting the right of each individual nation. that is something that we are far more dependent on — peace — then gas. kristina, i mean come on this issue of sanctions, yes, carry on talking, you are all saying. but you have got to have a threat of "or else" and the sanctions path. i mean, do you see unity between washington, which isn't dependent on russian gas, with the europeans on this? ye...

But we are even more dependent... hang on, hang on, you arejust saying that is a price that has to be paid. do you think democratically elected governments are going to see the lights and the heating go down in their countries? i think so, because we are even more dependent upon peace in europe. and peace in europe is dependent upon respecting the right of each individual nation. that is something that we are far more dependent on — peace — then gas. kristina, i mean come on this issue of sanctions, yes, carry on talking, you are all saying. but you have got to have a threat of "or else" a...

In their countries? i think so, because we are even more dependent upon peace in europe. and peace in europe is dependent upon respecting the right of each individual nation. that is something that we are far more dependent on — peace — than gas. kristina, i mean, on this issue of sanctions, yes, carry on talking, you are all saying, but you have got to have a threat of "or else" and the sanctions path. i mean, do you see unity between washington, which isn't dependent on russian gas, with the europeans on this? yes, we have actually seen very good unity. first of all, in nato, all 30 memb...

Believe, is that the fits of material they would have to amass to make these bombs become the most -- the juiciest target in the world for nonstate actors who would like to have suitcase nuclear bombs. and will the iranians sell it to them? will they give it to them? can it be stolen? can some corrupt person in the supply chain give it to some other group? and, so, i still think there's a chance, by the way, to get them not to do it. but they're going to have to cut a deal with everybody to keep them on the sanctions path. and they're going to have to show the iranians repeatedly there's a bet...