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Jussie smollett. that's pretty remarkable. right? >> it is. >> and chicago is not exactly a small town. >> you heard here from sara's reporting that the judge was running his courtroom in a very pragmatic and strict fashion. which judges don't put up with antics, really, so you heard sara say there, if anybody, if r. kelly were to be remanded, he wants to make sure there are no outbreaks in the courtroom. there really are rules and regulations that you have to follow when you get inside a courtroom. and it doesn't sound like he is messing around here. >> and it sounds like -- >> that's a good ...

Was 14 years old at the time. we can now tell you that the tape that i have seen, the tape that was handed over by michael avenatti, actually is that girl, who has been identified by her aunt, to a grand jury, as the same girl that charges were brought against r. kelly in 2008. so one of these victims, some of her allegations, some of the allegations that prosecutors had because she did not take part in that first trial, which is one of the reasons why the jury had a difficult time identifying her and r. kelly, one of these cases is the very same victim from the first case that prosecutors all...

When it comes to it. so the dna evidence, to your question, that's not going to impact the analysis when it comes to whether or not r. kelly gets bail. again, bail is not punitive. it doesn't have anything to do with sort of the overarching elements of the case. i think it is a bad fact. it is a bad fact to have sort of from a pr standpoint and certainly when it comes to the merits of the case but i don't think it will impact the bail analysis here. >> caroline just said her take away from sara's report was the physical evidence, ronaldo, what's yours? >> that is certainly one big take-away as...

Time inside the courtroom, as you might imagine, emotions very high, and the judge warned everyone, that if a single person yells out or screams out something, even if they scream out i love you, i'll see you later, if somebody gets taken into custody, that they will be remanded into custody themselves. and so made a very stern warning. because he can feel the emotion in that room. >> i can't even imagine the emotion in that room. thank you so much. appreciate it. back to discuss what we heard from sara, caroline, a federal white collar crime criminal defense attorney, and ronaldo mariotti, a ...

Bringing someone to justice who allegedly victimized women. and that's the judge's role here is to do justice, to ensure that mr. kelly's constitutional rights are respected and these women have their day in court and their rights are vindicated as well, their interests are vindicated. i think it is right to keep the antics out, keep control of the proceeding and have it happen in an orderly fashion. >> in the narrative here, everyone is referring to the victims as women, and certainly the time phrase has elanced, they are of the age of consent now, but we should be calling them children, beca...